tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15808871.post5685536292827333989..comments2023-10-21T10:08:05.386-04:00Comments on Catalonia, Politics and Supply Chain: Do not get married by a pigletian llorenshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11480151992510686932noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15808871.post-79621159978062000972007-04-06T19:26:00.000-04:002007-04-06T19:26:00.000-04:00quedo parat noi...salutacions des de casa!quedo parat noi...<BR/>salutacions des de casa!Waipu Joanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10203034194917903052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15808871.post-56142339572832954202007-04-06T09:33:00.000-04:002007-04-06T09:33:00.000-04:00Roger:Maybe language interventionism is a more dem...Roger:<BR/><BR/>Maybe language interventionism is a more democratic option? Does that mean Franco was democratic in what regards to language policies? Can you expand your ideas about my nonsenses?Garcihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05883657296125916016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15808871.post-70298241560752954222007-04-06T07:51:00.000-04:002007-04-06T07:51:00.000-04:00#Garci: you need your head examined mate. What's d...#Garci: you need your head examined mate. What's democracy got to do with migration flows and official languages??<BR/>I have the feeling Rab was taking the piss out of you since 'to haver' is a Scots word that means "to talk nonsense", which is pretty much what you are doing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15808871.post-72086937530535168932007-04-05T17:01:00.000-04:002007-04-05T17:01:00.000-04:00Rab:You got it! that's exactly what I meant. I tol...Rab:<BR/><BR/>You got it! that's exactly what I meant. I told you already that in my post about Ceuta. As a minimum, it should be as you say from departments in catalan universities: if a certain percentage of students with a different mother tongue in that school or course is higher than x (to define) then it is automatically a teaching language. Don't look at me that way! You are the one asking for autodetermination and democracy!! ;)Garcihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05883657296125916016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15808871.post-1952007635019614332007-04-05T15:09:00.000-04:002007-04-05T15:09:00.000-04:00Garci - Any catalan university: official language:...Garci - <I>Any catalan university: official language: catalan.</I><BR/><BR/>I repeat. Universities in Catalonia DO NOT have an official language policy, it is up to individual departments and lecturers. To claim otherwise is ignorance or willful manipulation.<BR/><BR/><I> I agree with you Catalan should be further studied in the rest of the State, but in order to achieve coofficial status in some places it should be mother tongue of certain percentage of students.</I><BR/><BR/>What an amazing statement. <BR/>Are you suggesting that migration flows should dictate language and cultural policy in the 21st century? Following your logic, Polish should be co-official language in many rural towns in Scotland -since there are many Polish immigrant families living there. <BR/>And English should be co-official in Costa del Sol (Malaga) and Benidorm at least. And Germany should be co-official in Majorca. <BR/>Urdu would be co-official in Bradford, England. <BR/>And the list goes on and on.<BR/>Following your bizarre logic, London then would have at least 10 co-official languages!<BR/>There is a wonderful Scottish word for this: havering.Rabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16537773508053082477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15808871.post-81033605999750255632007-04-03T22:26:00.000-04:002007-04-03T22:26:00.000-04:00Garci:I do not know in which university you studie...Garci:<BR/>I do not know in which university you studied 15 years ago. I have two university degrees. I got one in the Polytechnic University of Catalonia and the other in the University of Barcelona (called "Central University" at that time). I finished my second study in 1992. I only got about 5% of may classes in Catalan, 95% in Spanish. Teachers teaching in catalan allowed both Catalan and Spanish in the exams. Many Spanish speaking teachers only allowed Spanish.<BR/><BR/>The latest 2006 poll on languages used at the university showed that only around 35% of the lectures were in Catalan, the rest were in Spanish.<BR/><BR/>Anyway as you know, I am a non orthodox nationalist.I believe that all Catalan universities should offer all their programs in Catalan (with some qualified exceptions, but also that they should make an effort to offer them in Spanish and English.<BR/>Why? I will tell you the truth. <BR/><BR/>For me the most important thing in a university is not the language used, but the quality of the education. We should try to attract highly qualified local and foreign teachers and also highly qualified foreign students (take the word foreign in both the literal and the nationalist acceptations). If the best teacher on nanotechnology is from UK and only speaks English, he should be hired and if the best professor of molecular diagnostics is from Soria and only speaks Castilian, we should hire him/her, too.<BR/>We should also try to attract talent/students from the rest of the world for two reasons, firts they would paid non subsidized out of state tuition and second some of them may decided to set roots in Catalonia and contribute to the prosperity and growth of our country.<BR/>However the public University should always warranty that the vast majority of the programs are available in Catalan, that's the only way to make sure that Catalan is a live language and not tribal oddity and remember, a big part of the local students, the ones whose parents contributed with taxes to pay for that education, are demanding it. <BR/><BR/>Regarding Canada, I agree with Rab that it is a totally different ball game. First, in Catalonia we have chose the route of bilingualisn and I think this is the right approach (with a bad execution, but the right approach, no ghettos. <BR/>That 90% of people in your class were Spenish speaking is an understatement. 100% of the people in you class were Spanish speaking, remember all Catalans speak Spanish. But if what you mean is that in a ramdom class where the teacher taught in Catalan, 90% of the students only understood Spanish. That's simply a lie, or I should say, wishful thinking.<BR/><BR/>Finally I would like to remind you that is was the English speaking Prime Minister Stephen Harper who introduced a motion in the Canadian Parliament that recognizes the Quebecois constitute a nation within a united Canada, in a surprise move aimed at countering an imminent Bloc Quebecois motion. And no one has called for a boucott to the Quebecois "cava".ian llorenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11480151992510686932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15808871.post-4395518452735536192007-04-03T19:00:00.000-04:002007-04-03T19:00:00.000-04:00Rab:Wow! do you mean that the Catalan-speaking and...Rab:<BR/><BR/>Wow! do you mean that the Catalan-speaking and nationalist student lobbies have not gone any better than when I studied 15 years ago, when they would send letters to professors asking them to teach in Catalan in classes where 90% of the students where Castilian-speaking and getting quite successful?<BR/><BR/>Repeteixo: MCGILL (Montreal), official language: english. Any catalan university: official language: catalan. I agree with you Catalan should be further studied in the rest of the State, but in order to achieve coofficial status in some places it should be mother tongue of certain percentage of students.<BR/><BR/>I include those Spanish nationalist as well. Remember, I am a non-nationalist, some condition many would love to understand but will never get to it. Too smart for certain brains.Garcihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05883657296125916016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15808871.post-17347251510130591952007-04-03T17:30:00.000-04:002007-04-03T17:30:00.000-04:00Garci dixitwhere there is no castilian-speaking un...Garci dixit<BR/><I>where there is no castilian-speaking university in Barcelona</I><BR/><BR/>What a load of mince. <BR/>Garci, for your information, the Catalan students associations are fed up that non-Catalan students (either monolingual Spaniards -excuse the redundancy- or foreigners) are asking lecturers to switch from Catalan to Spanish –even when the classes are ‘scheduled’ in Catalan. <BR/>The vast majority of classes in Catalan universities in Barcelona are in Spanish because the lecturer chooses to do so and because there are more Spanish-speaking lecturers. Catalan universities don’t have a language policy; it is up to individual departments and lecturers. <BR/>End of story.<BR/><BR/>What is revealing about Spain’s way of dealing with Catalonia is that there are more Departments of Catalan in the UK or Germany universities than in Spain (I exclude the historically Catalan-speaking territories).<BR/><BR/>With respect to your statement about nationalist parties gaining ground in ‘abnormal’ Spain, do you include the Spanish nationalists of the PP as well?Rabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16537773508053082477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15808871.post-43556355549391670972007-04-03T15:08:00.000-04:002007-04-03T15:08:00.000-04:00I agree with you that old laws should be properly ...I agree with you that old laws should be properly updated, and in this case, judges in Catalonia should speak in Catalan if the 'clients' ask for it.<BR/>Rab comments remind me how normal a country is Canada: Montreal: the most famous university of Canada is English speaking: Mc Gill, not like a abnormal country like Spain where there is no castilian-speaking university in Barcelona. In a normal country like Canada, there are french-speaking colleges in Alberta, while you can't find catalan-speaking colleges in Madrid. In a normal country like Canada, nationalist quebecois parties are receding, while in a abnormal country like Spain this is still to be seen. Everything depends on which issues you select, rab..sectarism is an old-fashioned policy that, as we can see, is still the most effective one with short-minded peopleGarcihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05883657296125916016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15808871.post-36572591253594878602007-04-02T17:07:00.000-04:002007-04-02T17:07:00.000-04:00#Miquel: absolutely spot on. While Catalonia is pa...#Miquel: absolutely spot on. <BR/>While Catalonia is part of Spain, cultural and economic decline awaits. <BR/>This would be unthinkable in any other country in the world -except in ultra-nationalist Spain of course. <BR/>Can anyone imagine this happening in a normal country like Canada or Belgium?Rabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16537773508053082477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15808871.post-25126437934347268432007-04-01T05:13:00.000-04:002007-04-01T05:13:00.000-04:00I still don't understand how someone can get away ...I still don't understand how someone can get away with this and even get paid additional salary for proving to be capable to use Catalan language. <BR/>I think only independence could provide Catalonia with essential tools to avoid this kind of discrimination.Miquel Marzabal Galanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11025623738598426160noreply@blogger.com